magicmonkey
08-22 02:22 PM
EB3/PD: NOV 2004
Send I485 11th Jul
I40 approved June2007
RD:
ND :
Send I485 11th Jul
I40 approved June2007
RD:
ND :
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bhobama
05-10 10:07 PM
The answer is in your question. Numbers. A few years ago (circa 2002-) no one complained much about Indians. Recently the complaints in the media/forums etc. are much higher. Why ? More H1, => more bodyshoppers (mainly India) => more abuse => more complaints and so on.
Also FYI, H1 is "temporary" just like F1. H1 is not a guarantee to GC. So you need to go back after 6 years, since you say F1 should leave after graduation.
Thats my point. Why are pakistanis getting green cards and nobody is saying they have taken jobs away from Americans? So many come to US on visa free travel, work 6 months undocumented from european countries, yet they are the first to get the GCs while Indians abuse B1, they abuse H1. How come only Indians abuse everything no one else abuses anything?
Also FYI, H1 is "temporary" just like F1. H1 is not a guarantee to GC. So you need to go back after 6 years, since you say F1 should leave after graduation.
Thats my point. Why are pakistanis getting green cards and nobody is saying they have taken jobs away from Americans? So many come to US on visa free travel, work 6 months undocumented from european countries, yet they are the first to get the GCs while Indians abuse B1, they abuse H1. How come only Indians abuse everything no one else abuses anything?
jthomas
12-17 07:54 PM
I read and hear the same thing over and over again, NO SAVINGS,
It is also true for me, NO SAVINGS, We all earn a better salary from others since we are high level professionals, born from a indian family. Where are we wrong.
my first 3 years used to save money, from last 3 years i have no savings. better lifestyle than india. Canadian green card backed up. paid paid money to immigration lawyers for US and canada. , NO US education. Helped friends and relatives financially. Setup a business in india, just doing Okay.
Now i am thinking is it worth staying in US away from parents.
1. Good health (which we often take for granted)
YEs
2. US born kids (at least they are citizens, if that's important to you)
Not married no kids
3. US education (a different experience for sure)
No us education
4. Good savings (all said and done, your bank balance is very important no matter where you stay in the world)
No savings no big salary
5. Good work experience (this is transferable and more or less ensures a decent future)
Yeah just started career
6. Loving/caring family/friends (who will always love you the same and couldn't care less about GC or citizenship)
Dont know about that
Been herr from 7 years..
It is also true for me, NO SAVINGS, We all earn a better salary from others since we are high level professionals, born from a indian family. Where are we wrong.
my first 3 years used to save money, from last 3 years i have no savings. better lifestyle than india. Canadian green card backed up. paid paid money to immigration lawyers for US and canada. , NO US education. Helped friends and relatives financially. Setup a business in india, just doing Okay.
Now i am thinking is it worth staying in US away from parents.
1. Good health (which we often take for granted)
YEs
2. US born kids (at least they are citizens, if that's important to you)
Not married no kids
3. US education (a different experience for sure)
No us education
4. Good savings (all said and done, your bank balance is very important no matter where you stay in the world)
No savings no big salary
5. Good work experience (this is transferable and more or less ensures a decent future)
Yeah just started career
6. Loving/caring family/friends (who will always love you the same and couldn't care less about GC or citizenship)
Dont know about that
Been herr from 7 years..
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aka
06-18 12:23 PM
I-140 already approved, I-485 details (same for both me and my wife):
Mailed to NSC on May 31st.
Received at NSC on June 1st (I think... never took tracking# from attorney).
Receipt Date - June 04
Notice date - June 07
Mailed to NSC on May 31st.
Received at NSC on June 1st (I think... never took tracking# from attorney).
Receipt Date - June 04
Notice date - June 07
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danu2007
07-20 11:34 AM
pledging $100
hsingh82
05-12 06:48 PM
:D it depends on whom you want to send to ?
When you send flowers EB2 gets retrogressed No will care if ever we have to send flowers as a united group... Are you going to address that as Eb2 Retrogressed campaign ?
Support IV dudes... :)
Even if you send flowers to USCIS, do mention that it is a protest. If nothing is mentioned they may think that citizens are happy with June Visa bulletin's development and forward those flowers to Ghasleit and dustbin to kick our ass :D
When you send flowers EB2 gets retrogressed No will care if ever we have to send flowers as a united group... Are you going to address that as Eb2 Retrogressed campaign ?
Support IV dudes... :)
Even if you send flowers to USCIS, do mention that it is a protest. If nothing is mentioned they may think that citizens are happy with June Visa bulletin's development and forward those flowers to Ghasleit and dustbin to kick our ass :D
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eyeswe
05-01 10:38 AM
Thanks for bringing this up. In the byzantine world of USCIS regs this probably got lost somewhere?
But i agree with the post above .. we are really stuck between a rock anda hard place on this issue..If we ask them to move all spouse visa numbers to Family , which is how it should be based on the legislations you are quoting, then our partners will have to wait for more number of years than EB categories. It does not matter that EB3 is now U. my feeling is in the long run EB is a better category than FB....
Also it could present more issue for all those aged out folks who are at least in EB where the gravy train seems to be inching unlike the FB train... And we don't even need to scenario plan the FB if all our spouse appln goes in to taht bucket.. But there is an advantage.. the primary applicant could get their GC cards faster (I am assuming) and this probably may be truer (if there is anything like that) for India and China, where usually the EB applicantion includes spouse/child visa reequest as well..
Very hard to choose.. Also what happens if the primary applicant gets the GC, but the spouse cannot.. On waht visa he/she will continue? May be that is the reason why they assumed all spouse visa application as EB?
But i agree with the post above .. we are really stuck between a rock anda hard place on this issue..If we ask them to move all spouse visa numbers to Family , which is how it should be based on the legislations you are quoting, then our partners will have to wait for more number of years than EB categories. It does not matter that EB3 is now U. my feeling is in the long run EB is a better category than FB....
Also it could present more issue for all those aged out folks who are at least in EB where the gravy train seems to be inching unlike the FB train... And we don't even need to scenario plan the FB if all our spouse appln goes in to taht bucket.. But there is an advantage.. the primary applicant could get their GC cards faster (I am assuming) and this probably may be truer (if there is anything like that) for India and China, where usually the EB applicantion includes spouse/child visa reequest as well..
Very hard to choose.. Also what happens if the primary applicant gets the GC, but the spouse cannot.. On waht visa he/she will continue? May be that is the reason why they assumed all spouse visa application as EB?
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man-woman-and-gc
09-15 06:14 PM
I 've sent pm.. please update the google doc.
Thanks gcgonewild. The spreadsheet is updated now.
Others who are wondering what's goin on..here's a recap:
We are collecting pledges to file a lawsuit against USICS against these random and opaque processing of GC's. Our target is to get 1000 affected people to pledge atlaset $100 each so that we can fund this lawsuit. No money being collected right now..just honest pledges.
There is a current list of members who have pledged support on the link below.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...8fcKLTQ&hl=en#
If you would like to help in this effort, please send me a private message with the following info:
1) Ur IV handle
2) Ph#
3) Email ID
4) Amount you would like to pledge.
Please note, we will move forward only if we have atleast 1000 pledged members to make up a sound force behind this campaign. So unity is the key here. We will not collect money unless we have a solid proof that we are not alone in this fight.
Thanks gcgonewild. The spreadsheet is updated now.
Others who are wondering what's goin on..here's a recap:
We are collecting pledges to file a lawsuit against USICS against these random and opaque processing of GC's. Our target is to get 1000 affected people to pledge atlaset $100 each so that we can fund this lawsuit. No money being collected right now..just honest pledges.
There is a current list of members who have pledged support on the link below.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...8fcKLTQ&hl=en#
If you would like to help in this effort, please send me a private message with the following info:
1) Ur IV handle
2) Ph#
3) Email ID
4) Amount you would like to pledge.
Please note, we will move forward only if we have atleast 1000 pledged members to make up a sound force behind this campaign. So unity is the key here. We will not collect money unless we have a solid proof that we are not alone in this fight.
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dtekkedil
07-02 11:30 PM
these things rrgood for movies not practical life. 2 days more and everyone will move on. just watch...
and now, here everyone comes bashing me for speaking the truth :)
Perhaps a few will move on... but there are those who have sincerely been hurt by this "bait and switch". I hope to believe that they would keep this up!
Besides, the aim is to create as much awareness as possible! If we can achieve that, half our job is done!
By the way... we don't have to give the "All the best" note in person. We can mail it! A single flower along with it will make it a little more effective.
and now, here everyone comes bashing me for speaking the truth :)
Perhaps a few will move on... but there are those who have sincerely been hurt by this "bait and switch". I hope to believe that they would keep this up!
Besides, the aim is to create as much awareness as possible! If we can achieve that, half our job is done!
By the way... we don't have to give the "All the best" note in person. We can mail it! A single flower along with it will make it a little more effective.
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centaur
07-09 07:12 PM
She is great. I just spent 15 minutes talking with her. She has all her questions written in front of her and she seems really serious about pursuing this story.
Every one should call her at 2023346701, name is Xiyun
I spoke to this journalist for almost 20 minutes
She is awesome and really really listens to you and gets a lot of information to you
THIS IS A LIVE PERSON
She is interested in talking more people and also if possible with other ASIAN people (Chinese/Taiwanese/Pakistanis), who are in the same boat
Call her and she picks up the call.
Every one should call her at 2023346701, name is Xiyun
I spoke to this journalist for almost 20 minutes
She is awesome and really really listens to you and gets a lot of information to you
THIS IS A LIVE PERSON
She is interested in talking more people and also if possible with other ASIAN people (Chinese/Taiwanese/Pakistanis), who are in the same boat
Call her and she picks up the call.
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pappu
03-12 07:37 AM
Several members have mentioned their plight on this thread. I request everyone to briefly write about themselves on the thread:
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1940
Make sure your profile has your name, email, address and phone number. We will try to get your story published.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1940
Make sure your profile has your name, email, address and phone number. We will try to get your story published.
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kg318
04-25 10:44 AM
[QUOTE=kg318;242627]
Did you contacted INS regarding this? Someone in my office told that one of his friend contacted INS regarding back wages. He received a phone call 3-4 months later from INS regarding his complain and was told that INS will investigate into the matter and if complain is valid then the former employer will be punished accordingly. He was told that INS has received many many such complaints and they have huge backlog and it is taking 3-4 months to reach to a complain but they are working on each of them.
the point here is not how long its gonna take. Its sure that they r gonna work if not immediately may be in 3-4 months. and once they see all the proofs(i do have proofs) whole company will be audited rock bottom, all the gc filing will be verified and single loophole is just enough to cause irriparable damage to the company. not only the reputation but i heard they will have a high penalty of 100's of thousands dollars. I have contacted one of the top lawfirms.for the matter of $4000 if the company chooses to do it, its their foolishness. also if they genuinely wanted to enforce non compete they wouldn't have used it as a threat agiainst payments they owe me.
Its not that I haven't made any efforts to reconcile with my ex-employer. I have tried and still trying to get them to have a civil conversation and settle this. But the more I try, i beleive, they r thinking the more scared i am and are being arrogant by not replying to any of my emails or phone calls. My reconciling efforts are giving them wrong hints i beleive. I am definetly stressed about this,thats true, but i am not scared because of all the info i gathered, I know even they do file a suit, I will be on the winning side. though i have option to go directly to DOL or USCIS and can show all the proofs i have regarding the deductions they have made, i haven't made till today just because of the kind of relationship we had earlier and also concerned about other h1bs who r with the company right now. I dont want their GC's to be in jeopardy. but if employer doesn't make the effort from his side, and pulls the thread till it breaks, i can't help it.
Did you contacted INS regarding this? Someone in my office told that one of his friend contacted INS regarding back wages. He received a phone call 3-4 months later from INS regarding his complain and was told that INS will investigate into the matter and if complain is valid then the former employer will be punished accordingly. He was told that INS has received many many such complaints and they have huge backlog and it is taking 3-4 months to reach to a complain but they are working on each of them.
the point here is not how long its gonna take. Its sure that they r gonna work if not immediately may be in 3-4 months. and once they see all the proofs(i do have proofs) whole company will be audited rock bottom, all the gc filing will be verified and single loophole is just enough to cause irriparable damage to the company. not only the reputation but i heard they will have a high penalty of 100's of thousands dollars. I have contacted one of the top lawfirms.for the matter of $4000 if the company chooses to do it, its their foolishness. also if they genuinely wanted to enforce non compete they wouldn't have used it as a threat agiainst payments they owe me.
Its not that I haven't made any efforts to reconcile with my ex-employer. I have tried and still trying to get them to have a civil conversation and settle this. But the more I try, i beleive, they r thinking the more scared i am and are being arrogant by not replying to any of my emails or phone calls. My reconciling efforts are giving them wrong hints i beleive. I am definetly stressed about this,thats true, but i am not scared because of all the info i gathered, I know even they do file a suit, I will be on the winning side. though i have option to go directly to DOL or USCIS and can show all the proofs i have regarding the deductions they have made, i haven't made till today just because of the kind of relationship we had earlier and also concerned about other h1bs who r with the company right now. I dont want their GC's to be in jeopardy. but if employer doesn't make the effort from his side, and pulls the thread till it breaks, i can't help it.
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Macaca
07-09 05:07 PM
Section 245.1 (g)
(g) Availability of immigrant visas under section 245 and priority dates�(1) Availability of immigrant visas under section
245. An alien is ineligible for the benefits of section 245 of the Act unless an immigrant visa is immediately available to him or her at the time the application is filed. If the applicant is a preference alien, the current Department of State Bureau of Consular Affairs Visa Bulletin will be consulted to determine whether an immigrant visa is immediately available. An immigrant visa is considered available for accepting and processing the application Form I�485 if the preference category applicant has a priority date on the waiting list which is earlier than the date shown in the Bulletin (or the Bulletin shows that numbers for visa applicants in his or her category are current), and (if the applicant is seeking status pursuant to section 203(b) of the Act) the applicant presents evidence that the appropriate petition filed on his or her behalf has been approved. An immigrant visa is also considered immediately available if the applicant establishes eligibility for the benefits of Public Law 101�238. Information concerning the immediate availability of an immigrant visa may be obtained at any Service office.
Please post URL of this and others. Thanks!
(g) Availability of immigrant visas under section 245 and priority dates�(1) Availability of immigrant visas under section
245. An alien is ineligible for the benefits of section 245 of the Act unless an immigrant visa is immediately available to him or her at the time the application is filed. If the applicant is a preference alien, the current Department of State Bureau of Consular Affairs Visa Bulletin will be consulted to determine whether an immigrant visa is immediately available. An immigrant visa is considered available for accepting and processing the application Form I�485 if the preference category applicant has a priority date on the waiting list which is earlier than the date shown in the Bulletin (or the Bulletin shows that numbers for visa applicants in his or her category are current), and (if the applicant is seeking status pursuant to section 203(b) of the Act) the applicant presents evidence that the appropriate petition filed on his or her behalf has been approved. An immigrant visa is also considered immediately available if the applicant establishes eligibility for the benefits of Public Law 101�238. Information concerning the immediate availability of an immigrant visa may be obtained at any Service office.
Please post URL of this and others. Thanks!
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ujjvalkoul
06-23 05:38 PM
Guys u can mark my words - there will be no relief for Hi Tech Workers, as the policy makers know, if not here we will find comparable jobs elsewhere, and wont make a noise.
It will come down to making a noise in a big way if we have to achieve our immigration goals. When illegals can take to the streets, c'mon we r legal and following the process (which is broken) and we want that process fixed. Is taht asking too much!
Gone are the days when immigrants were welcome in US, although everyone in US is an immigrant, we r the unlucky ones to have been caught in this wave of backlogs, anti-immigrationists and illegals.
It will come down to making a noise in a big way if we have to achieve our immigration goals. When illegals can take to the streets, c'mon we r legal and following the process (which is broken) and we want that process fixed. Is taht asking too much!
Gone are the days when immigrants were welcome in US, although everyone in US is an immigrant, we r the unlucky ones to have been caught in this wave of backlogs, anti-immigrationists and illegals.
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mk26
11-17 04:20 PM
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zoooom
07-19 07:39 PM
Done
Also..How can we let other members know that a thread like this exists...
Also..How can we let other members know that a thread like this exists...
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kg318
04-23 02:35 PM
hi all,
Thanks a lot for all ur suggestions and support. As of now, nothing is moving on in my issue. The last correpondence with the employer was only when i sent mail asking for my money and got reply saying that they will contact their attorney to see what legal action they can take using non compete agreement. But till today, its calm and they are not replying to any of my mails or calls. I feel like its just a mail to scare me......took an appointment with attorney to discuss this and be geared up for action........
Thanks a lot for all ur suggestions and support. As of now, nothing is moving on in my issue. The last correpondence with the employer was only when i sent mail asking for my money and got reply saying that they will contact their attorney to see what legal action they can take using non compete agreement. But till today, its calm and they are not replying to any of my mails or calls. I feel like its just a mail to scare me......took an appointment with attorney to discuss this and be geared up for action........
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tonyHK12
02-22 05:58 PM
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Amazing effort imm_pro, thank you. This has been the biggest individual donation so far, and the only one for today. Hope it inspires others. I pledge a total of at least $400 for this event. thanks also to vid080, satyakb
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Amazing effort imm_pro, thank you. This has been the biggest individual donation so far, and the only one for today. Hope it inspires others. I pledge a total of at least $400 for this event. thanks also to vid080, satyakb
We have achieved 15% of our goal.
Total Contributions...........$7,625.00
Amount to be raised.......$42,375.00
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jkays94
06-22 12:17 AM
Let's start our campaign for our own bill immediately. There is no motive to wait. We should pay lobbysts and ask them to approach lawmakers using the argument that legal immigrants need a relief without waiting for amnesty bills for illegal aliens.
The same argument applies, why would someone like Dianne Feinstein or other lawmakers who supported CIR because of industries such as agriculture, turn around and support a bill for legal immigrants when they traditionally have been opposed to bills that favor skilled workers ? The reality is that there will be no new bill until after November. I'm being pessimistic with good reason, look at the example that this Senator (http://www.senate.gov/~levin/newsroom/release.cfm?id=256689) gave regarding a measure that made it to the Senate and collapsed, but they did have success in the house where it passed as they would have wanted it to. What happened in this same case is what has happened to CIR, it got past the Senate but is now facing problems in the house. It goes to show that lobbying even with massive resources does not guarantee immediate success neither is the result what one set out to get, but indeed one is better off lobbying than not lobbying at all :
18 families worth a total of $185.5 billion quietly financed and coordinated a 10-year effort to repeal the estate tax. The report (http://www.citizen.org/documents/EstateTaxFinal.pdf) tells how these families spent over $200 million dollars contributing to political campaigns, financing outside lobby groups and trade associations, and creating a massive anti-estate tax coalition that served as the main coordinator of the repeal campaign.
The same argument applies, why would someone like Dianne Feinstein or other lawmakers who supported CIR because of industries such as agriculture, turn around and support a bill for legal immigrants when they traditionally have been opposed to bills that favor skilled workers ? The reality is that there will be no new bill until after November. I'm being pessimistic with good reason, look at the example that this Senator (http://www.senate.gov/~levin/newsroom/release.cfm?id=256689) gave regarding a measure that made it to the Senate and collapsed, but they did have success in the house where it passed as they would have wanted it to. What happened in this same case is what has happened to CIR, it got past the Senate but is now facing problems in the house. It goes to show that lobbying even with massive resources does not guarantee immediate success neither is the result what one set out to get, but indeed one is better off lobbying than not lobbying at all :
18 families worth a total of $185.5 billion quietly financed and coordinated a 10-year effort to repeal the estate tax. The report (http://www.citizen.org/documents/EstateTaxFinal.pdf) tells how these families spent over $200 million dollars contributing to political campaigns, financing outside lobby groups and trade associations, and creating a massive anti-estate tax coalition that served as the main coordinator of the repeal campaign.
iptel
06-26 02:58 PM
Well, I am a legal immigrant from Mexico, I have an MBA, my race is white (100% European as are more than 10 million Mexicans) and I do not wear a "sombrero".
I thought that this forum was for us all to help each other and not enter these types of useless arguments. I cannot believe that the posters of these racist messages, who are Indian, are falling into the same sterotypes that Americans fall into in regards to India. You are doing that with Mexico. I have been to India, I urge you to go to Mexico and see for yourselves what the country is like before passing judgment.
Mexico has 100 million people vs. India's 1 Billion plus, yet Mexico's GDP is essentially equal to India's (India = 775,410, Mexico=768,437). All the people that you see immigrating here are of course the poor and uneducated who can come here in large numbers because of the simple fact that (hello people!) we share a land border with the U.S.A. (What would happen if India shared a land border with the U.S.A. - One can only imagine! Instead of 7 million illegal Mexicans, we would have 400 million illegal Indians here!) I invite you to visit Mexico, where in some parts you will think you are in Sweden. And again, yes! have been to India!
We are misusing this forum with stereotypes and you guys are turning this into an Indian-only forum. (WHich is a turnoff to me and many more) I know the majority of us in here are Indian, but if I continue to feel unwelcome here I will just take my donations elsewhere.
For your Information India's GDP is 3 trillion USD compare to Mexico 1 trillion USD. Taking into account GDP of EU India ranks 5th in GDP higher than any indivisual European nation where as Mexico ranks 13th. This is as per CIA worldfactbook. So where did you get the number
"Mexico's GDP is essentially equal to India's (India = 775,410, Mexico=768,437). "
Hmmn did I forget you are an MBA from Mexico ?
(What would happen if India shared a land border with the U.S.A. - One can only imagine! Instead of 7 million illegal Mexicans, we would have 400 million illegal Indians here!)
Lets get this thing straight buddy without shadow of any doubt there are more Mexican than Indian in USA. But what about the number of doctors, computer scientist, economist, professors of reputable Universities, physcisist of Indian origin compare to Mexican origin.
I thought that this forum was for us all to help each other and not enter these types of useless arguments. I cannot believe that the posters of these racist messages, who are Indian, are falling into the same sterotypes that Americans fall into in regards to India. You are doing that with Mexico. I have been to India, I urge you to go to Mexico and see for yourselves what the country is like before passing judgment.
Mexico has 100 million people vs. India's 1 Billion plus, yet Mexico's GDP is essentially equal to India's (India = 775,410, Mexico=768,437). All the people that you see immigrating here are of course the poor and uneducated who can come here in large numbers because of the simple fact that (hello people!) we share a land border with the U.S.A. (What would happen if India shared a land border with the U.S.A. - One can only imagine! Instead of 7 million illegal Mexicans, we would have 400 million illegal Indians here!) I invite you to visit Mexico, where in some parts you will think you are in Sweden. And again, yes! have been to India!
We are misusing this forum with stereotypes and you guys are turning this into an Indian-only forum. (WHich is a turnoff to me and many more) I know the majority of us in here are Indian, but if I continue to feel unwelcome here I will just take my donations elsewhere.
For your Information India's GDP is 3 trillion USD compare to Mexico 1 trillion USD. Taking into account GDP of EU India ranks 5th in GDP higher than any indivisual European nation where as Mexico ranks 13th. This is as per CIA worldfactbook. So where did you get the number
"Mexico's GDP is essentially equal to India's (India = 775,410, Mexico=768,437). "
Hmmn did I forget you are an MBA from Mexico ?
(What would happen if India shared a land border with the U.S.A. - One can only imagine! Instead of 7 million illegal Mexicans, we would have 400 million illegal Indians here!)
Lets get this thing straight buddy without shadow of any doubt there are more Mexican than Indian in USA. But what about the number of doctors, computer scientist, economist, professors of reputable Universities, physcisist of Indian origin compare to Mexican origin.
admin
05-06 03:55 PM
Another warning. We will not tolerate flaming wars or denigrating posts.
Can't we work together civilly for this? The illegal aliens speak in one voice and are more easily heard. While immigrants who are supposed to be "highly educated" like us have to fight within ourselves over every issue.
If you find some bad post, report it to us by clicking on the exclamation mark symbol. Don't retort.
Can't we work together civilly for this? The illegal aliens speak in one voice and are more easily heard. While immigrants who are supposed to be "highly educated" like us have to fight within ourselves over every issue.
If you find some bad post, report it to us by clicking on the exclamation mark symbol. Don't retort.
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